No LibrePlanet organizers (staff or volunteer), speakers, award winners, exhibitors, or sponsors were made aware of Richard Stallman's announcement until it was public.
@fsf It's a shame that the secretive insiders "buddy club" that is the FSF Board of Directors put personal friendships ahead of the good of Free Software and the good work of the FSF staff itself. (Not to mention LP contributors.)
Founders Syndrome is real and it can destroy even the most meaningful organizations.
The decision to bring RMS back to FSF board is the right one! The injustice against RMS has been reduced!
The fact to he was forced to resign just because he expressed his personal views (not as FSF president) is an injustice.
You should stop maligning people based on false assumptions. What "creep"? Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't make anyone "creep".
Some people go too much into others' apperance.
@redstarfish @fsf He resigned because he got caught being a creep. He's not a creep because I disagree with him, he's a creep because he regularly says and does creepy things. He behaves creepily, particularly towards any woman stupid enough to go near him. That fact was never up for any debate. He's a creep.
@redstarfish @fsf I'd link you to some of the complaints, reports, stories, but really -- you've already seen it, haven't you? You don't care about the hard evidence, do you? Here's one article full fo them: https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794
@redstarfish @fsf Okay, so you've responded to one of the accusations in that thread, kind of, not really. What about the rest? What about https://twitter.com/corbett/status/994012399656042496? Or https://twitter.com/starsandrobots/status/994267277460619265? Certainly, you saw a few others back in 2019, no?
Is it that you don't understand how websites work?
The software I run on my own computer is my choice. I am not going to run some software (especially proprietary in this case) just because the website sends it to me. It is nothing to do with LibreJS.
So RMS asked this women on a date and she refused. Asking person on a date *once* (she didn't mentioned he asked her repeatedly) is "creepy"?
"Rms hates plants?" (He doesn't).. I don't see anything wrong here.. Just not liking plants is "creepy" now?
See how the "creepy" is being streched too far.
@redstarfish @fsf Apparently you share his inability to process social cues. The problem in the first scenario is not that he asked a woman out; the problem is that he literally just asked her name, asked if she went to MIT, asked her out, and then stopped talking to her. That's a creepy fucking interaction. In the second -- it's not that he hates plants, it's that every woman on faculty had a plant to ward him off.
I think what he wants to do when someone rejected him on a date is his personal matter (as long as he didn't harass her)
If they have plants to ward him off, maybe they didn't like him. I don't see how this is *his* fault.
So if people stopped talking to me, and keeps snake at their door to ward me off, it's my fault now?
Sorry to say, if this the best you've got, I think your grudge against him is personal, and you are using this occasion to bad mouth him.
@redstarfish Okay, for the future, try talking to a woman before you ask her out. And for the future, if everybody around you has something in her office specifically to ward you off, maybe consider the possibility that this relates to the one common denominator. If everybody you know keeps a snake to ward you off, you need to stop and try to understand what you did to cause that reaction.
1) Asking a woman out is only creepy depending on the man doing the asking. Stallman is no prize, so it would be creepy, but there is nothing wrong with asking a woman out instantly.
2) Do you really believe that the only reason those people had plants in their offices, an extremely common occurrence, was for him? How naive are you?
@wyatwerp @fsf @redstarfish I'm not sure what you're trying to say except that you don't understand that, sometimes, it's hard for people to come out about harassment -- perhaps it has something to do with all the assholes who are jumping down their throats for doing it now! -- and that you think these people *should* have been pushed out of the Free Software community and just started their own, tertiary Free Software community instead.
@wyatwerp @fsf @DanHakimi @redstarfish They didn't do it earlier because they bully socially and legally you into silence. It's classic cult behavior. Just ask any ex-FSF employees many of them surrounded by red tape. Also, proof of the fabrication? You going to render every criticism against RMS invalid. Stallman is not Jesus you cultist.
@DanHakimi @redstarfish @fsf Here is the abortion joke: 25.7.4 Aborting a Program Future Change Warning: Proposed Federal censorship regulations may prohibit us from giving you information about the possibility of calling this function. We would be required to say that this is not an acceptable way of terminating a program.
That is what some were upset about?
…and then he says that an enslaved child could, somehow, be “entirely willing”.
…even though the quote clearly shows him not saying that. Opening the criticism by deliberately twisting someone’s words does not inspire confidence in the author’s judgement. They later wrote an appendix, which quotes testaments from other people, but I find those dubious as well:
I recall being told early in my freshman year “If RMS hits on you, just say ‘I’m a vi user’ even if it’s not true.”
This sounds more like an over-the-top running joke than anything.
He literally used to have a mattress on the floor of his office. He kept the door to his office open, to proudly showcase that mattress and all the implications that went with it.
I remember being walked around campus by an upperclassman getting advice during my freshman year at MIT. “Look at all the plants in her office,” referring to a professor. “All the women CSAIL professors keep massive amounts of foliage” s/he said. “Stallman really hates plants.”
Well, according to another one, ‘In the closet-sized “office” Bushnell, McGrath, and I shared for a time we did have some spider plants as part of a running silly joke. They did not actually scare RMS away OF COURSE and he usually had helpful criticism and advice of our efforts, from my point of view. ’
Now I’m not saying Stallman has done nothing wrong; some of the other remarks do raise more concern. But saying ‘hard evidence’ when pointing to a collection where some of the points seem to be overblown or misinterpreted, and others are just blatantly false, make me seriously doubt how much of this should be taken at face value.
From the actual facts and more trustworthy testimonies we have on Stallman’s behaviour, I see how you may find it uncomfortable or ‘creepy’ (though I agree with @redstarfish that ‘creepy’ is very subjective). And I agree it can reflect poorly on the whole movement when a lot of people feel that way about its public face.
That said, I would presume just being on the board of directors doesn’t make him a public face of the movement, and I don’t think someone being ‘creepy’ is a valid reason to fully exclude them from a community at all (as some have previously insinuated).
@redstarfish @fsf On top of that, he was a shitty representative for the movement. He introduced us to good principles, and explained why we should commit to those principles, and then he spent the past few decades pushing people away from those principles with his grating, creepy personality. We should have a leader in charge, not just the first programmer to get to the punch.
@redstarfish @fsf You haven't seen me fighting for software freedom (before now) because you haven't been following me. But you see me fighting for it now. Nobody stopped me from "getting" in charge of the FSF, but it's a Boston-based organization, and I'm a New York guy. I'd love to be counsel for the SFC or SFLC if my career gets to that point.
@fsf Are the minutes of the Board meeting where the decision to reappoint public? It seems clear the Board knew they were doing something most LP supporters would hate; what was discussed?
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